Monthly Archives: April 2009

Souter To Retire

Souter Dedication

NPR broke the story:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=103694193

HuffPo:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/30/justice-souter-to-retire_n_194243.html

Katy Kattenburg at Moderate Voice:

http://themoderatevoice.com/30554/breaking-news-david-souter-to-retire/

First Read at MSNBC:

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2009/04/30/1917786.aspx

Opus Hussein X at TPM:

http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/blogs/astral66/2009/04/npr-justice-souter-to-retire.php?ref=reccafe

Real Weird Politics:

http://realweirdpolitics.wordpress.com/2009/04/30/justice-david-souter-to-retire-from-supreme-court/

Still not on NYT yet. Or WaPo. Will update.

UPDATE #1

BLT (Blog of Legal Times):

http://legaltimes.typepad.com/blt/2009/04/nbc-news-reporting-souter-to-retire.html

Ben Smith of Politco has it:

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0409/Souter.html

Mark Hemingway at The Corner:

http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MzU1NDYxZGUxZjgxZTQzZTAyYTY4MDAxOTBiMmM5OWM=

UPDATE #2

Michelle Malkin:

http://michellemalkin.com/2009/04/30/souter-to-retire/

Allah Pundit:

http://hotair.com/archives/2009/04/30/bombshell-souter-retiring/

WaPo is breaking it. What is Times waiting for?

UPDATE #3: McJoan at Kos

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/4/30/726606/-NPR-Reporting-Souter-to-Retire

TalkLeft:

http://www.talkleft.com/story/2009/4/30/221111/341

No Times.

UPDATE #4: Marc Ambider is wondering who will replace him:

http://politics.theatlantic.com/2009/04/souter_said_to_be_retiring_who_would_replace_him.php

CBS now reporting the news:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/04/30/national/main4981868.shtml

NYT finally stopped watching the Celtics/Bulls 242nd overtime and is breaking the story.

UPDATE #5. Bulls finally won. Souter still retiring.

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With Ears Wide Shut

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Blogosphere Does Not Want!

Powerline A.D: “Who The Hell Wants A Creed Reunion Anyway?”

http://powerlinead.wordpress.com/2009/03/20/who-the-hell-wants-a-creed-reunion-anyway/

Andrew Winistorfer: “Creed Announce Reunion and Album, Even God Isn’t Vaguely Interested.”

http://www.prefixmag.com/news/creed-announce-reunion-and-album-even-god-isnt-vag/28510/

Marianne Dowling lists other reunions that are not asked for. Also: “Aside from contracting swine flu or unknowingly chowing down on a chicken salad sandwich left out in the sun, I can’t think of a better way to upset my stomach than a Creed reunion.”

http://blog.canoe.ca/ent/2009/04/29/Most_pointless_band_reunions_ever

But TBogg wins, of course

Frankly, the locusts and the oceans of blood will be a relief

By: TBogg Wednesday April 29, 2009 8:59 am

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Worldwide economic depression, massive unemployment, swine flu pandemic, terror planes in the skies of New York,  and now this.

Either God is testing us or he is dead

http://tbogg.firedoglake.com/2009/04/29/frankly-the-locusts-and-the-oceans-of-blood-will-be-a-relief/

If you want the straight story, here’s the Rolling Stone link:

http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdaily/index.php/2009/04/27/creeds-scott-stapp-calls-reunion-a-renewing-and-a-rebirth/

UPDATE: Jonah Weiner in Slate

And on the Slate piece, Ezra Klein, Matthew Yglesias and Scott Lemieux

UPDATE #2: Off we go a’#slatepitches. The Slate article on #slatepitches by Juliet Lapidos.

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Who needs the WHO?

What’s the best response to a global pandemic? Local responses, international organization responses, or a combination of the two?

Mickey Kaus and Robert Wright debate this at Bloggingheads. Robert Wright argues that neocons often posit that international governing institutions are weak, but then refuse to back changes that might make these institutions stronger. He posits that necons don’t want these institutions to be stronger:

http://bloggingheads.tv/diavlogs/19338?in=06:55&out=17:52

They fisk two articles, one by Anne Applebaum in Slate, which posits that WHO shouldn’t deviate from their general mission to focus on social and economic factors:

http://www.slate.com/id/2217016/

And David Brooks column in the New York Times, where he argues that the local apporach is better than the global approach: If the response were coordinated by a global agency, those local officials would not be so empowered. Power would be wielded by officials from nations that are far away and emotionally aloof from ground zero. The institution would have to poll its members, negotiate internal differences and proceed, as all multinationals do, at the pace of the most recalcitrant stragglers.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/28/opinion/28brooks.html

Eric Posner at the Volokh Conspiracy: “Brooks writes as though we could have a centralized agency if we wanted but that we have wisely opted for a more decentralized approach. In fact, it is doubtful that we could have such an agency but if we could it would be better if we did. Our current system is very much a second best, and it’s wrong to treat this failure of international cooperation as though it resulted from wise, conservative self-restraint on the part of nation states rather than the limits of the state system.”

Posner ends with: “This is a happy story of the success of international organizations but it also illustrates the limits of international law. An optimal system—the system that would exist if states could fully resolve collective action problems and overcome their conflicting interests—would be far more intrusive. It would have stringent laws and feature an agency that resembles domestic authorities that have draconian powers to quarantine and otherwise interfere with people’s freedoms when a disease outbreak strikes. And in international regimes where science does not provide an objective grounding for states’ interests, even the minimalist type of international cooperation illustrated by WHO won’t be possible.”

http://volokh.com/posts/1241059256.shtml

Two others posts that Posner cites:

Kenneth Anderson in Opinio Juris:

http://opiniojuris.org/2009/04/26/swine-flu-pandemics-and-transnational-regulatory-networks/

David P. Fidler at the American Society of International Law:

http://www.asil.org/insights090427.cfm

David Brooks cites G. John Ickenberry in his column. Daniel Drezner happens to have Marshall Mcluhan G. John Ickenberry right here (no, literally, he does and he makes the joke, too) and Ickenberry says Brooks is falsely positing an either/or situation where they are not in fact alternatives:

http://drezner.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2009/04/28/i_happen_to_have_mr_ikenberry_right_here

The Wonk Room at Think Progress also has a reply to Brooks:

“Why do you need those international architectures, like, in this case, the World Health Organization (WHO)? There are many reasons, but to name a few:

1. To track the spread of the flu globally, and see how it is mutating as it goes, you need flu samples from around the world. Some countries, for political reasons, would not offer them freely to the US. Only a politically neutral body like the World Health Organization can collect those (and sometimes, not even it can).

2. The WHO helps create and foster the very networks among scientists and government officials around the world that Brooks cites as useful.

3. Some countries don’t have the capacity to mount what Brooks calls a “bottom-up, highly aggressive response.” Some organization needs to help create that capacity and call attention to its absence as a weak link in the global chain. If every country had a CDC like ours, there would be less reason to worry. But they don’t. Not even close.”

http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2009/04/28/global-threats-require-a-global-response/

And finally, The University of Chicago Law School Faculty Blog’s Anupam Chander:

http://uchicagolaw.typepad.com/faculty/2009/04/diseases-and-national-borders.html

Anything else about this topic? Put it in the comments.

UPDATE #1: Stephen Walt in Foreign Policy.

UPDATE #2: More Bloggingheads, with Henry Farrell and Daniel Drezner.

UPDATE #3: John Boonstra against Brooks.

UPDATE #4: Marc Siegel in Slate

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They Did/Did Not Torture: The Guardian Article Debate

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Did the UK under Churchill torture? Did Obama tell a whopper last night?

Britain did torture, as Michael Tomasky points out in the Guardian, pointing to a Guardian article about The Cage, which was “run by MI19, and specifically by a fellow called Alexander Scotland; it was of course a closely guarded secret; and — most shockingly — it operated until two or three years after the war ended, still mistreating captive Germans.”

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/michaeltomasky/2009/apr/30/obama-administration-torture

The original Guardian article:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2005/nov/12/secondworldwar.world

Micheal Scherer’s post in Swampland in Time:

http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2009/04/30/obamas-mistake-britain-did-torture/

And Ben Smith in Politico:

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0409/Obama_and_Churchill.html

Smith notes that Obama may be reading Andrew Sullivan. Here’s Sullivan’s original Churchill V. Cheney post:

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2009/04/churchill-vs-cheney.html

Sullivan’s post today on the matter says that if Churchill knew, Churchill was guilty of war crimes:

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2009/04/the-british-tortured.html

Michael Goldfarb in the Weekly Standard: “As far as I’m concerned the Guardian is no more credible than a veteran of the SS, which is to say not at all. I don’t believe Churchill ordered the torture of Germans captured on the battlefield, but these were uniformed combatants, and what could they possibly have told their captors anyway — there’s a bunch of planes headed to London tonight? When Germans or their agents were caught operating without a uniform, they were turned or shot — no trial, no habeas, no nothing.”

http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2009/04/churchill_the_terrible.asp

Ed Morrissey asks “Does anyone in the White House actually do research?”

http://hotair.com/archives/2009/04/30/100-days-presser-flubbing-churchill/

Scott W. Johnson at Powerline has a post up that doesn’t involve the Guardian article, but makes other points. “What about Churchill? When the Allies first deliberated over the fate of the highest ranking members of the Nazis and German military who were ultimately tried at Nuremberg, Churchill supported their summary execution. He didn’t think they deserved their day in court as a matter of right.

Churchill was the leader ultimately responsible for the firebombing of Dresden. He was not particularly constrained by high minded liberal notions of wartime restraint, though late in the war (after Dresden) he opposed “the bombing of German cities simply for the sake of increasing the terror.””

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2009/04/023457.php

Jonah Goldberg at the Corner also has questions about using WWII Britian as an example:

http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NjJkYTZjN2IzNDY1YTg4MzkwYjdlNGVlMTc4YmU3NmU=

Liberals react, too. Steve Clemons at Washington Note:

http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/archives/2009/04/the_brits_tortu/

Democratic Underground:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102×3855690

UPDATE #1: Sully has a new post up:

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2009/04/three-mansions-in-london-ctd.html

UPDATE #2: Two more posts from Sullivan:

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2009/05/was-the-london-cage-policy.html

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2009/05/churchill-vs-cheney-ctd.html

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Notes From Bradlaugh

Bradlaugh at Secular Right (which is The Derb, which is John Derbyshire), has two posts up arguing “The Secular Right Case Against Gay Marriage:”

http://secularright.org/wordpress/?p=1940

http://secularright.org/wordpress/?p=1963

There’s an old Free Republic post from 2004 by Adam Kolasinksi that also makes the secular case against gay marriage:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1082190/posts

Faith in Honest Doubt argues with Derbyshire:

http://danceswithanxiety.blogspot.com/2009/04/secular-case-against-gay-marriage.html

Rod Dreher has a post up about this and excerpts a part of the Derbyshire piece, including this:

“There really is a slippery slope here. Once marriage has been redefined to include homosexual pairings, what grounds will there be to oppose futher redefinition — to encompass people who want to marry their ponies, their sisters, or their soccer team? Are all private contractual relations for cohabitation to be rendered equal, or are some to be privileged over others, as has been customary in all times and places? If the latter, what is wrong with heterosexual pairing as the privileged status, sanctified as it is by custom and popular feeling?”

http://blog.beliefnet.com/crunchycon/2009/04/the-secular-case-against-gay-m.html

David Hume (Razib Khan) looks at the numbers concerning religion and gay marriage support:

http://secularright.org/wordpress/?p=1947

Andrew Sullivan links to one of the comments of the piece, which includes this part:

“Last – “people who want to marry their ponies, their sisters, or their soccer team?” I thought equating homosexuality with bestiality and incest was limited to the religiously motivated. Disgusting. As for polygamy – marriage used to be that way in many cultures. Perhaps you had better ask historians why we changed away from it rather than ask the gays why they should have to preemptively defend against something for which they’re not asking.”

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2009/04/a-secular-case-against-marriage-equality.html

UPDATE: Lots more posts on Secular Right:

Andrew Stuttaford

Razib Khan

Derb responding

Heather MacDonald

UPDATE #2: Sully responds to MacDonald.

UPDATE #3: Now the conversation has taken a new subject. Will Wilkinson:

I agree that our conservative impulses aren’t going anywhere. So, what if people with conservative impulses reproduce at a greater rate? It’s interesting to think about what happens when the cultural parameters of the liberal-to-conservative continuum shifts in a liberal direction faster than dispositional conservatives can breed. And maybe something like this is Razib’s idea. If the stipulated demographic trend continues–conservatives keep reproducing faster–then conservative dispositions will become relatively common and liberal ones relatively rare. At some point, this stalls further liberalization, even if it had a lot of momentum behind it. And then you’d think maybe we slide back in a “traditional,” communitarian, family-centric direction. But I guess this depends on what a native “conservative disposition” comes down to. If it’s a kind of conformist hesitancy to alter the social order, then a preponderance of conservatives may do little more to lock in liberalization, just as today’s conservatives praise to the Heavens the timeless verity of a bunch of extremely radical 18th-century liberal ideals.

Khan responds.

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Chrysler Goes To 11

Dealbook in NYT has the story of the behind the scenes of the Chrysler bankruptcy:

http://dealbook.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/04/30/a-roadmap-to-a-chrysler-bankruptcy/

Conor Clark at The Atlantic comments:

http://business.theatlantic.com/2009/04/what_does_the_chrysler_bankruptcy_change.php

And Marc Ambinder looks at the political fall-out:

http://business.theatlantic.com/2009/04/chrysler_in_bankruptcy_administration_works_to_contain_fallout.php

Two sides of the small lender question. The Corner’s Stephen Spruiell has the statement from the small lenders saying they were shut out of the negotiations in favor of the UAW.

http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ZGM2NzNjNjMxMjkxYWM2M2NlMGJlZWIwOWViMjhiZGE=

Jonathan Cohn in The New Republic argues they were holding out for more money:

http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_plank/archive/2009/04/30/five-letters-starts-with-a-gr-rhymes-with-bleed.aspx

Naked Capitalism agrees with Cohn. They also note: “So Treasury cannot win, If it calls the banks’ bluff, it risks a slow motion Lehman. The Times says “people briefed at the negotiation” believe Chrysler would emerge from Chapter 11. But bankruptcy, like war, has uncertain outcomes, and no automaker has emerged from bankruptcy (they have either been liquidated or sold in pieces or entirety).”

http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2009/04/chrysler-chapter-11-filing-expected.html

Dday on the small lenders:

http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2009/04/but-remember-greed-is-good-by-dday-over.html

Matt Y. on the whole deal:

http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/archives/2009/04/the-chrysler-deal.php

UPDATE #4: Steve Verdon:

http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/chrysler_to_file_for_bankruptcy/

Verdon refrences this post by Greg Mankiw:

http://gregmankiw.blogspot.com/2009/04/rule-of-law.html

UPDATE #5 On The Corner, Henry Payne:

http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=N2EzZjBhMGM3ZWNiYWE0NDdlNWQ0MTk2ZmE0ZTFmZjg=

UPDATE #6 Via Ezra Klein, Tyler Cowen on the auto industry as a whole:

http://www.marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2009/04/does-the-us-need-an-auto-industry.html

And Ezra:

http://www.prospect.org/csnc/blogs/ezraklein_archive?month=04&year=2009&base_name=the_chrysler_bankruptcy

UPDATE #6: John Hinderaker at Powerline:

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2009/04/023460.php

He links to Michael Barone:

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/Behind-the-Chrysler-bankruptcy-44069827.html

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We’ve Got Your Gaffes Right Here, Part #2

And now something that the liberal blogs celebrated and the right-of-center and libertarian blogs smacked their foreheads over yesterday. Rep. Michelle Bachmann (R-Minn) blames FDR for the Hoot-Smalley Act. Maybe she was just tired.

As they said at Reason magazine, “watch it and weep:”

http://www.reason.com/blog/show/133189.html

Matt Y: “It’s true that Bachmann is making an unfortunate error about the names of Messrs. Smoot and Hawley. But her contention is simply that Roosevelt, though he took office in March 1933, was actually able to cause events in the past precipitating the very years-long Depression that led to his election. It’s a bit confusing, yes. And somewhat metaphysically controversial. But not at all something she deserves to be mocked for.

[no, not really—she should be mocked]”

http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/archives/2009/04/michelle-bachmann-embraces-ignorance-reverse-causation.php

It is possible she got the info from this Associated Content piece, which calls it Hoot Smalley, but correctly attributes the President at the time of passage as Herbert Hoover. (As you can see, it discusses “The Forgotten Man” by Amity Shlaes.

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/319130/the_forgotten_man_by_amity_shlaes.html?cat=38

Dday has some fun with the whole thing:

http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2009/04/at-what-point-do-you-get-your-house.html

Steven Benen notes that Smoot-Hawley was championed by Republicans.

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2009_04/017967.php

Go to John Cole for the artwork liberals have been passing around to commemorate this gaffe:

http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=20601

Alex Knapp points out, as Keith Olbermann did last night, that Smoot-Hawley was actually discussed in the movie “Ferris Bueller’s Day Off” in a scene with Ben Stein. He further notes:

“And the worst part about the whole thing is that by being such a blithering idiot for all the world to see, Bachmann has probably put quite a few dents in the credibility of free trade arguments. There’s nothing I hate worse than to see an idea I agree with (in this case, free trade) being horribly defended.”

http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/bachmann_blames_fdr_for_1930_tariffs/

Ben Stein explains it all in “Bueller”

Any more? Put it in the comments.

EARLIER: https://aroundthesphere.wordpress.com/2009/04/30/weve-got-your-gaffes-right-here-part-1/

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