Reid Wilson at Hotline
We’ve broken Dems into 4 categories based on their votes on the original health care bill, passed in Nov., and on the Stupak amendment, a measure to toughen abortion language that passed with overwhelming GOP support and 64 Dem votes.
Dems believe they have a total of 15 to 20 targets, “no” votes the first time around who can be persuaded to switch their positions. Those in the first category, members who voted against the bill and against the Stupak amendment, may be their easiest targets. Those in the second category, who voted against the measure but for the amendment, will be harder to win over.
GOPers are not without their own targets. Rep. Bart Stupak (D-MI) claims he has up to a dozen votes among the second group, those who voted for health care but who are willing to vote against it if abortion language isn’t strengthened. The third category include those members who voted for both the bill and the amendment, and the reservoir from which Stupak is likely to find his backers.
Finally, the fourth category will be harder for the GOP to win over. They include 16 House Dem freshmen, some liberal, some centrist, who voted for the measure but against the Stupak amendment. The most effective argument to win over these members will be an appeal to their re-election chances.
Then again, the one member who voted for the bill and now says he will vote against it — Rep. Mike Arcuri (D-NY) — falls into this category, suggesting the GOP’s target list is far wider than we lay out here.
A reminder of where we stand now: Health care legislation passed by a 220-215 margin on Nov. 7. Since then, Reps. Neil Abercrombie (D-HI), Robert Wexler (D-FL) and Eric Massa (D-NY) have resigned. Rep. John Murtha (D-PA) passed away. Of that group, Abercrombie, Wexler and Murtha voted in favor. Massa voted against. Rep. Anh “Joseph” Cao (R-LA), who voted for the bill, has said he will vote against.
That means Pelosi has lost 4 votes, bringing her to 216. Because there are only 431 members of the House, thanks to the vacancies, Pelosi needs exactly that number to pass reform. Arcuri’s decision today brings the number of yes votes down to 215 — one below the number needed to pass.
Jay Cost at RealClearPolitics:
Current Categories (As of 1:40 PM 3/9)
Democrats Who Voted Nay in November
Very Hard to Persuade: 25
Hard to Persuade: 6
Persuadable: 6
Democrats Who Voted Yea in November
Suggested Might Now Vote Nay (Including Confirmed Stupak Democrats): 17
Other Possible Stupak Democrats: 10Update, 1:40 PM 3/9 Adding Jerry McNerney (CA-11) to the list of Democrats who voted yea in November but who are now undecided, thanks to this report:
McNerney criticized the current version of healthcare reform passed by the U.S. Senate for the deals it makes with certain states, its lack of a public option and the inadequate number of people it extends coverage to. He said he would not vote in favor of that version of the bill if it comes back to the House.”We want to get our healthcare up to international standards, and we want to do it in a way that is American,” McNerney said in response to a question from the audience. “Costs are escalating at a rate that’s unacceptable, and the people want something done.”
Thanks to Twitter follower “sulzinator” for the link!
Also, a note on methodology. My rule for adding former yea voters to the list of waverers has had to become a little more developed since I first published this list. My attitude is that it is not enough for a member to say that he/she is now “undecided.” I need to read about them making a negative about the Senate bill. This is why, for instance, some journalists have John Spratt as “undecided” but he is not on my list because I have not heard a specific complaint from him about the Senate bill.
Additionally, I’m operating under the assumption that the special carve-outs like the Cornhusker Kickback are getting dropped in the final package, so if a member just complains about the insider deals, he/she won’t get on the list.
David Dayen at Firedoglake:
Some movement since I last updated:
Dan Maffei and Bill Owens, two central New York Congressmen who voted yes last time, are undecided.
Larry Kissell is a confirmed no.
According to the Hill, Marion Berry is a member of the Stupak 12 (which I have as a baker’s dozen), and Ike Skelton is a definite no.
So if you add all that up, you get 194 yes votes and 191 no votes. I’ll show my work:
I’m assuming that all Republicans save Joseph Cao are a no, and all Democrats who voted yes before who haven’t definitively come out as a maybe are still a yes.
There were 39 Democratic No votes before. One of them was Parker Griffith, now a Republican, and one of them was Eric Massa, now the saltiest salt not in Congress. In addition, three other Democrats who voted yes last time (Wexler, Murtha, and Abercrombie) have either resigned or died.
Of the 37 remaining Democratic No votes, we have 14 definite nos (I’ve documented all of these with a link somewhere on the site in the past):
Bobby Bright, Mike McIntyre, Stephanie Herseth Sandlin, Walt Minnick, Artur Davis, Chet Edwards, Frank Kratovil, Mike Ross, Dan Boren, Gene Taylor, Larry Kissell, Dennis Kucinich, Collin Peterson, Ike Skelton
That leaves 23 potential flippers, though only 13 have made noises in that direction so far:
Jason Altmire, Bart Gordon, Glenn Nye, Brian Baird, John Tanner, Rick Boucher, Allen Boyd, John Boccieri, Suzanne Kosmas, Betsy Markey, John Adler, Mike McMahon, Scott Murphy.
The other 10 haven’t said boo. They are:
Travis Childers, Harry Teague, Lincoln Davis, Heath Shuler, John Barrow, Jim Marshall, Tim Holden, Charlie Melancon, Jim Matheson, Ben Chandler
In addition, there are the Stupak 13, who were all yes votes last time:
Bart Stupak, Jerry Costello, Charlie Wilson, Kathy Dahlkemper, Joe Donnelly, Joseph Cao, Steve Driehaus, Brad Ellsworth, Marion Berry, Marcy Kaptur, Dale Kildee, Dan Lipinski, James Oberstar.
Kildee has said he’s not in the bloc, but he was quoted in the Politico “fix it in reconciliation” article as someone with concerns about the abortion language.
Then there are 10 other former Yes votes who have expressed concerns, though none are an out-and-out no yet:
Mike Arcuri, Zack Space, Chris Carney, Mike Doyle, Paul Kanjorski, Ann Kirkpatrick, Alan Mollohan, Nick Rahall, Dan Maffei, Bill Owens.
Some of those may have something to do with the abortion language, but I haven’t added them to the Stupak bloc yet.
Jim Geraghty at NRO:
So here’s what is absolutely certain: Of the 220 “yes” votes, three are gone from Congress with their seats currently empty (Wexler, Abercrombie, and Murtha) and one has said, definitively, they will flip to no (Cao).
That takes the ‘yes’ votes to 216.
Of the 215 previous “no” votes, Nathan Deal is sticking around, Eric Massa is gone (214), and Cao has been added to their ranks. This brings them back to 215.
In other words, right now Pelosi cannot permit anyone who voted “yes” to flip. If every “yes” vote stays on board, she can pass the bill.
Obviously, there are a lot of Democrats who voted “yes” in the fall who have indicated that they want to vote “no” or are considering voting no: Jerry McNerney, Steve Kagan, Henry Cuellar, Kathy Dahlkemper, Dan Lipinski, Marion Berry, Baron Hill, Brad Ellsworth, Dina Titus, Michael Arcuri, Dennis Cardoza, James Oberstar, Bart Stupak, Shelley Berkeley, Dan Maffei, Earl Pomeroy, Nick Rahall, John Spratt and Kurt Schrader. There are probably more, but that’s a starting 19.
There are a very few “no” votes who are talking about flipping to “yes.” Occasionally, you’ll hear someone make vague noises about this, but I haven’t seen anything definitive. Bart Gordon’s a possibilty, as is Brian Baird.
I’m getting a lot of e-mails about this or that congressperson’s latest hedge, or this or that effort to count the votes. So let me take a second to explain why I’m not posting those articles: I don’t trust them.
To a degree that’s really under-appreciated, legislators communicate with each other through the press. That’s particularly true for the specialized Washington press: The Roll Calls and Congressional Quarterlys and Hills of the world. We read those stories as news articles, but the politicians who are quoted in them are often directing their words at their leadership rather than the publication’s lay audience. And that means those comments generally have a couple different meanings. The most common double meaning is that a quote that seems like a prediction (“I am not inclined to vote for this bill”) is actually the opening of a negotiation (“I want something changed in this bill, and I want it badly enough that I’m willing to play up my opposition in the press.”)
Since I can’t see into the souls of legislators, I don’t waste time trying to parse this stuff. The final weeks before a close vote feature a lot of congresspeople making statements of unbending opposition and then cutting deals which turn them into qualified supporters of the legislation. This appears to be happening with Bart Stupak, for instance, even though he’s spent the past few weeks grabbing headlines with his vocal opposition to the bill. So my stance on all this is that we’ll know soon enough, but until there’s solid evidence, I’m not going to spend time chasing statements that may or may not mean what they appear to mean.
How tense! I almost feel sorry for them. Almost. What’s going through those 431 fervid little minds? Each knows his/her vote is crucial, but then what? Worry that angry voters will say this thing passed because of you? Worry that angry voters will say this thing failed because of you? So, then… be quiet and cooperative? Or be demanding and invite a Massa-style ethics investigation (with naked Rahm-poke)? And then what? Become a blustering media star while wussing out and resigning (like Massa)? Try to stand up to the Chief of Staff and his minions? Or maybe the stress will get to you and you’ll keel over and die like Murtha? Lay low, stand and fight… or go like Murtha/Massa? Poor congresspeople. Not.
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